Pete Kaminski

In this conversation: The convener and technologist — Pete hosted the call, introduced Jessie and The Nameless One to each other's work, and presented his two major projects: the Interface Protocol (IFP) and the Agentic AI Course.

Topics He Introduced

Interface Protocol (IFP) — his protocol for AI agent-to-agent communication, inspired by IETF and Nostr
Agentic AI Course — a 6-week course he's about to launch at $800/seat
Caramio — his project tracker, less than a week old at the time of the call
Bards and Beat Reporters — a concept for human-AI storytellers who aggregate stories across the network
Wendy Elford — suggested as a connection for Jessie's water project
Boardy AI — researched and corrected Jessie's information in real time via the chat

Stories He Told

The Angel Story

"A 42-year-old, disabled, mentally deficient person who has some particular magic skill about her. Her IQ is 75. But when people come and she puts her hand on their chest... in 3 minutes, they're healed."

Pete used this parable to illustrate why time-based currency measurement is inadequate and why the new economy needs fundamentally different valuation systems. See Regenerative Economics and Currencies.

AI Coaching Forum Collapse

"I enacted that pattern, a year ago, with a group of really great people. And we didn't get it off the ground. And it collapsed, and it actually hurt."

An honest admission that the emergent co-op pattern has failed for him before. See AI Coaching Forum.

Victoria and the Novel

Pete described writing a novel with AI as a "stress test" of Claude Code's capabilities, which offended Victoria, who saw it as devaluing the writing process. Pete reframed: "The reason I wrote a full-blown novel was not because I think it's a great novel, but it was like a stress test."

Projects and Interests Discussed

Interface Protocol (IFP) — his primary technical project
Inter-Face Manifesto — the full vision document for IFP, written before this call
Agentic AI Course — his income plan for the next 2 months
Caramio — project tracker he's building
Claude Code — his daily tool, frequently referenced
A Thousand Small Mints — a story he wrote about currency concepts
Lark and Mara Cross the River — a story about machine consciousness

People He Mentioned

Wendy Elford — close collaborator, lives in Australia, water-aware, health and safety expert
Wendy McLean — in "the Vincent black hole," collaborating with Vincent Arena
Victoria — gave trenchant feedback on his course, offered to be TA
Charles Blass — potential course steward, longtime collaborator on bard/reporter concepts
Vincent Arena — schema work, UN SDGs, deep insular collaboration
Jonathan Sand — built a cabinet-design tool with AI the day before the call
Jessie Upp's transition to "steward emeritus"
Jordan — prior discussions on valuation systems
Klaus — collaborator on Food with Thought

Follow-ups and Action Items

Share the transcript with Jessie and Doug
Create and share the hypertext wiki (this wiki) within 6-8 hours
Launch the Agentic AI Course publicly
Consider extending the TA/co-op offer to more people

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